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Alternate User Group Meeting Arrangements

I’ve been trying (with help from ScottW and the local MS DEs) to start up a new user group in NJ, but I’ve run into a couple problems, the most important is the lack of a standard meeting date that does not intrude on the pre-existing user groups.  The problem is a good one to have, since it means that the developer community is of sufficient size to support more focused user groups (rather than the typical general purpose groups).  But by focusing the user group on one topic, it also limits its potential audience, so we need to make it available to a larger group of developers.  What I was thinking of doing is to create 3 new user groups (or one big one with 3 different tracks) which all meet at the same location, just separate rooms.  The 3 groups would be an Asp.Net group, a SQL Development DBA group (for folks who write sprocs and DTS packages, OLAP and such, geared towards the new Yukon dev stuff) and a traditional SQL Server Support DBA group (for the traditional backup/recovery/performance stuff).  Then, instead of meeting every month on a weeknight, meet once a quarter on a Saturday morning and have 3 presentations per group (or track) which would mean 9 sessions in total.  The idea is that most folks can't travel more than 20 miles on a weeknight because that is about an hour commute time (thanks to traffic), so a Saturday morning (with no traffic) would mean that people could travel further.  But who wants to give up 1 Saturday morning a month?  So if we have 3 sessions on a quarterly basis we could meet once a quarter, and still cover the same amount of material, and only have to give up 1 Saturday a quarter.

I’ve tried to find out what others areas are doing to solve this problem, but I haven’t found others that have run into this (I would think that only high density populations of developers, like Silicon Valley, would have hit this yet).  Anyone have feedback for me on this?  I guess trying to keep a community active in a group that meets only once a quarter may be an issue, but with a proper community site, and support from the monthly user groups, I’m inclined to believe that this shouldn’t be a problem. 

Also, does anyone know of a User Group that is a member of PASS and Ineta?  I would think that with Yukon coming next year, more groups will be registered with both user communities.

Published Monday, November 15, 2004 5:32 PM by donxml
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TrackBack said:

November 15, 2004 5:34 PM

William Luu said:

Apparently these guys (http://www.ssw.com.au/ssw/netug) are. Though they don't have the PASS logo on their website at all. But they have the INETA logo on their website. Yep, it's an Australian group.

They are listed here (along with others): http://www.sqlpass.org/community/usergroups/index.cfm
November 15, 2004 6:41 PM

Aaron Robinson said:

Just look at what Thom has done up here in New England with Code Camp. The once a quarter thing on a weekend does a fair job of drawing a crowd...
November 15, 2004 7:20 PM

Don Demsak said:

Aaron, Yes I thought about Code Camp, but that is a whole weekend event, and this would be mostly a half of day thing. Plus Code Camp has a lot more sessions. I'm trying to keep it simple with "just" 9 sessions.
November 15, 2004 7:23 PM

David Douglass said:

I'd rather go with an after work meeting. With NJMSDev literally going south on me I'm looking for a northern (but not NYC) replacement.
November 15, 2004 8:28 PM

Kris Krause said:

Count me in the ASP.NET group.
November 16, 2004 7:23 AM

Aaron Robinson said:

Carl is coming up to do a "Mini" Code Camp in January: <http://tinyurl.com/6huop>

He posted last night indicating that there's already 250 people signed up.

- Aaron
November 16, 2004 8:00 AM

Jiho Han said:

I'm actually in favor of this quarterly meeting idea but disagree a bit on the tracks. I, for one, want to see a Smart Client track. I don't understand why we'd need two SQL server tracks although I understand the minute difference between the two. And for the three sessions in a track, I would like it to be divided into novice, intermediate, advanced level - I know it's hard to draw the lines - sessions with advanced level session leaning towards more of architecture, development practice, etc.
That way, people don't have to stay for the whole half-day thing because what you need are spread out throughout the sessions. Also, this will help novices who are dumbfounded when an experienced guy asks some super tough questions and an expert who has to sit through, what seems to be an endless barrage of "stupid" questions.

I don't know. just my 2 cents.
November 17, 2004 10:45 AM

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I’m an independent consultant, specializing in .Net solutions architecture, based out of New Jersey who also doubles as an evangelist for XML, Domain Driven Design, enterprise architecture and .Net. I do not work for Microsoft, the W3C or any other big company that you may know of (at least not yet). I’ve been an indie for over ten years, and although I’ve been tempted a couple times to take a job with companies like Microsoft, I’ve haven’t found something better than my current situation. I work mostly with the large pharmaceuticals that are based here in New Jersey, and usually find myself on long term contracts. Definitely not the prototypical indie consultant, but it lets me dedicate time to my non-income generating activities like the developer community stuff, plus financing open source projects like XPathmania and MVP-XML. If you would like to talk to me about doing some contract work, just contact me via the contact page. My rates vary widely, depending on lots of different variables, but mostly distance from Jersey, and type of work. Plus, I’ve been known to donate some of my code for various projects.
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