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Avalon Not Ensured To Be Included In Longhorn?

eWeek Senior Writer, Darryl Taft contacted me last week and asked about how I’d feel if Microsoft dropped Avalon from the Longhorn release, and then put some of my comments in this article.  He mentioned that he had a quote from a Microsoft exec inferring that it may happen, but I didn’t realize that it was a quote from Soma Somasegar.  My full comment was:

“In my opinion, it would be a total disaster. The high coming out of PDC ’03 was incredible, and they would lose a lot of respect with the developers out there. We all knew WinFS was a bit aggressive, so it didn’t surprise us that it was removed. But Avalon is a totally different thing. It was the most complete of the triads of Longhorn (at the time), so I don’t know why they would pull it. The IDE for the Avalon stuff is a whole different issue. Without an editor Avalon will not be good to any of the developers. Since I have not seen an IDE, only rumors, that is the one thing that concerns me.”

I understand that there needs to be a balance between feature, quality, and time to market, but if you remove the 2 major reasons to upgrade from WinXP to Longhorn (WinFS and Avalon) then you better replace them with something just as good.  Otherwise no one will upgrade, especially if you are going to be able to get Avalon on WinXP.  That is basically what happened (IMHO) with WinME.  There was no valid reason to upgrade from Win98se (some will say that is was just Win98 3rd edition).  In the WinME to WinXP migration there were very valid reasons to upgrade (a very stable, enterprise ready OS the home users could also use).  Besides Avalon, I can’t find a reason to upgrade to the next OS.  If there is one, Microsoft is sure doing a poor job getting the word out.

Published Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:43 PM by donxml

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kip (jkipk@hotmail.com) said:

Thanks for this, Don. I keep asking the question "why upgrade to LH?". The only answer I get in the blogs is that "it will come on new machines". Not really good enough. I'm not sure, though, that there is a strategy behind the LH decision-making. At first it was "let's make something really cool", and now it's "well that won't work but we have to release cause that's what we do". Sure does make MS watching fun, though.
September 21, 2004 6:38 PM

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September 22, 2004 5:48 AM

Julian Lord / JabbaPapa said:

First, the most stable pillar of Longhorn isn't Avalon, it's Indigo.

That fact stated, I agree with the sentiment that without Avalon, there would be little reason for most real people to upgrade from XP/2k3 to Shorthorn/Longhorn. Indications from my personal involvement with the Betas community may be anecdotical, but it seems (to me) that Avalon is the pillar that most actual MS customers are excited about, and Avalon seems to be the pillar that may potentially induce home users to upgrade ; whereas Indigo and WinFS, no matter how attractive they may be from the computer geek POV, simply do not have the same aura of "coolness".
September 22, 2004 6:13 AM

DonXML Demsak said:

I really never considered Indigo as part of Longhorn, since it was always scheduled to be released for the older Oses. That being said, my terminology was wrong, because Indigo was called a pillar of Longhorn.
September 22, 2004 6:30 AM

TrackBack said:

First, my favorite pillar was knocked down and now this. With Indigo and Avalon (if it ever happens) ported to XP, the reasons we've been told to
September 22, 2004 8:52 AM

paul said:

In two years time I hope you will make the move on up to 64bit computing.


September 22, 2004 12:26 PM

David said:

So what's left in Longhorn? What exactly is Longhorn then without these pillars? A major Windows XP update?
September 23, 2004 6:43 PM

Dimi said:

I think that should be "ensured."
September 28, 2004 5:10 PM

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I’m an independent consultant, specializing in .Net solutions architecture, based out of New Jersey who also doubles as an evangelist for XML, Domain Driven Design, enterprise architecture and .Net. I do not work for Microsoft, the W3C or any other big company that you may know of (at least not yet). I’ve been an indie for over ten years, and although I’ve been tempted a couple times to take a job with companies like Microsoft, I’ve haven’t found something better than my current situation. I work mostly with the large pharmaceuticals that are based here in New Jersey, and usually find myself on long term contracts. Definitely not the prototypical indie consultant, but it lets me dedicate time to my non-income generating activities like the developer community stuff, plus financing open source projects like XPathmania and MVP-XML. If you would like to talk to me about doing some contract work, just contact me via the contact page. My rates vary widely, depending on lots of different variables, but mostly distance from Jersey, and type of work. Plus, I’ve been known to donate some of my code for various projects.
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